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[00:13:42.739915]<djszapi>http://pastebin.com/m6804f2a4
[00:13:46.758401]<djszapi>what's the problem with the scheduling tools plugin ?
[00:13:54.551640]<djszapi>I ask this again after 1 day....
[01:03:01.581278]<djszapi> http://pastebin.com/m6804f2a4, what's the problem with the scheduling tools plugin for trac software ?
[02:46:44.127426]<tongldrp>trying tp get trac running on ubuntu
[02:47:52.057252]<djszapi>?
[03:33:58.801228]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #2896 (Add wiki diff into RSS?) reopened - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2896#comment:6>
[06:34:00.263415]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #8950 (Hide DeprecationWarnings for trac-admin) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8950>
[06:52:03.592883]<spradnyesh>hello :)
[06:52:21.533537]<spradnyesh>I have trac deployed using tracd + nginx as a proxy
[06:53:05.167569]<spradnyesh>the thing is that right now the trac runs as http://<hostname>/<projectname>, however I want it to run as http://<hostname>/trac/<projectname>
[06:53:37.876979]<spradnyesh>I put a rewrite rule in my nginx conf file saying all http://<hostname>/trac/<projectname> should redirect to http://<hostname>/<projectname>,
[06:54:01.167440]<spradnyesh>however, the links that tracd generates are all /<projectname>/... types
[06:54:30.093270]<spradnyesh>eg. the login link is <hostname>/<projectname>/login
[06:54:48.027832]<spradnyesh>how can I make trac spit out <hostname>/trac/<projectname>/login
[06:54:58.302116]<spradnyesh>any help/pointers would be greatly appreciated
[06:55:21.812280]<thijs>theres a baseurl in trac.ini
[06:55:35.284741]<thijs>tried that?
[06:55:41.895970]<spradnyesh>thijs: thanks a lot, this sounds like what I'm looking for
[06:55:48.181452]<spradnyesh>not tried it yet, will try it now
[06:56:16.020212]<thijs>TracIni wiki page should have more info on those settings i think
[07:04:01.069115]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #8953 (UndefinedError: "milestone" not defined) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8953> || Ticket #8952 (trac-admin hotcopy should (be able to) copy contents of symbolic links) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8952> || Ticket #8951 (LookupError: unknown encoding: A) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8951>
[07:19:15.860600]<LimCore>hi another noob question, would you mind reminding me how to quickly make new trac setup usable,
[07:19:29.649691]<LimCore>like, allow only logged in users to view anything and block entire site for not logged in?
[07:19:59.571230]<LimCore>should that be done in htaccess by moving valid-user requirmenet from ..../login to ..../ ? or in trac.ini
[07:27:50.528540]<LimCore>how to set that user foo is the admin, he can create milestones and do all the cool stuff?
[07:43:44.411973]<djszapi>someone ? who could manage scheduletoolsplugin ?
[07:44:32.465368]*LimCore pokes *
[07:47:52.672497]<LimCore>oh, here we go - http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WebAdmin
[07:52:05.764040]<LimCore>WHY
[07:52:16.005280]<LimCore>why trac uses brain dead stupid ass americans date format of mm/dd/yy ?
[07:52:21.163116]<LimCore>this is the most fucked up date format ever
[07:54:06.349224]<djszapi>Isn't there a plugin for you to change ?
[07:54:55.015266]<LimCore>I fucking hope there is
[07:55:13.931625]<LimCore>really we should just kill everyone that advocates most retarded date format ever, and be done with it
[07:55:39.782773]<LimCore>it is not possible to have any more stupid date format then that
[07:56:51.024793]<djszapi>please moderate yourself a little bit :)
[07:56:58.464548]<djszapi>no need for those words.
[07:58:39.876355]<djszapi>but maybe it doesn't cause problem for anybody because this is a definitely a silence channel :P
[08:02:01.154759]<apollo13>LimCore: well, what a pitty that you are to stupid to change it…
[08:02:11.402045]<apollo13>remember: the problem is right in front of the pc
[08:03:26.497760]<LimCore>apollo13: well, it's nice that someone was smart to document it... or NOT: all I found so far is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracFaq#how-do-i-change-the-format-used-for-displaying-date-and-time which is not exactly what users want
[08:04:01.053921]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #8953 (UndefinedError: "milestone" not defined) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8953#comment:2> || Ticket #8950 (Hide DeprecationWarnings for trac-admin) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8950#comment:1>
[08:04:10.675528]<LimCore>apollo13: yeah it's totally my fault that clean default trac install uses non-sense date format. What was I thinking developing trac like that
[08:06:18.223185]<LimCore>apollo13: so is there any way to fix that or not? Because the way described there does not work, and anyway it appears to be only concerning displaying dates
[08:06:45.115965]<LimCore>obviously someone had a good reason to abandon always used in linux,databases,etc format of YYYYMMDD or other ISO, and instead use that?
[08:06:50.690534]<apollo13>I am sure you will find it out
[08:07:20.565257]<LimCore>I found out that trac fails to allow to use a reasonable date format
[08:08:02.791025]<LimCore>what where the developer thinking... Hey lets NOT use the ISO standard date as everyone from unix to sql, let's use some strange format, because we can
[08:08:32.653976]<apollo13>that is just an opinion of yours
[08:08:39.802539]<apollo13>obviously iso is a bad choice
[08:08:59.137961]<apollo13>american format makes sense, as trac was till some while ago english interface only
[08:09:25.875861]<LimCore>but american format is brain dead
[08:09:47.525909]<LimCore>yyyy-mm-dd data sort = alpha sort = number sort. This is why everyone uses it
[08:10:10.071579]<LimCore>at least dd-mm-yyyy is a reverse of it.. and fist part changes more often.. makes /some/ sense I guess
[08:10:26.013591]<apollo13>LimCore: a american will tell you the same about the german format
[08:10:27.239159]<LimCore>and mm-dd-yy ... ??? why.. wtf??? WHAT sense does it make? please tell
[08:10:47.317037]<apollo13>it's just a matter of what you are used to
[08:11:02.164937]<LimCore>no, any thinking person will notice that yyyy-mm-dd have sorting properties listed above which makes it best, and that putting day in MIDDLE makes no sense what so ever
[08:11:02.551556]<apollo13>and just because you don't understand that it isn't trac's fault
[08:11:17.114899]<apollo13>that is an opinion
[08:11:25.407023]<LimCore>nope I just talked to an american on ##linux about how retarded this format is, he shares my opinion
[08:11:28.394789]<LimCore>as do SQL devels
[08:11:30.860250]<LimCore>unix devels
[08:11:32.831274]<LimCore>ubutu devels
[08:11:40.614085]<LimCore>all devels using foo.yyyymmdd file namings
[08:12:13.964776]<LimCore>we all use this format because it make sense, and in my contry we are used to dd-mm-yyyy, yet I prefer, also, yyyy-mm-dd
[08:12:20.036104]<apollo13>who cares, ah format isn't something that will change from one day to another
[08:12:37.794410]<apollo13>and just because it's not as good as you'd like it, there is no reason to abondan it
[08:12:44.426665]<apollo13>I mean you get used to it
[08:12:45.936491]<LimCore>only idiots use things other then yyyy-mm-dd, and especially with day in MIDDLE (wtf?!)
[08:12:55.034310]<apollo13>it's not causing a problem or whatever
[08:12:55.879587]<LimCore>so I was wondering how could developers of nice software like trac do this
[08:12:57.870623]<LimCore>and how to fix it
[08:13:09.637543]<apollo13>well I guess you will have to find out yourself
[08:13:20.341218]<LimCore>it is causing a problem of having idiotic, error prone, hard to sort, and incompatible date format everywhere in trac
[08:13:28.898800]<apollo13>so fix it
[08:13:33.286102]<LimCore>is it fixed?
[08:13:38.939933]<apollo13>find it out
[08:13:46.716703]<LimCore>so far I see it appears to be NOT fixed
[08:13:50.120798]<LimCore>do you have more information?
[08:13:57.178583]<apollo13>might be
[08:14:23.036627]<LimCore>I found a ticket about trac, it says to set locale... its not perfect, and its not working so far for me; and it probably only says DISPLAY not input. or..?
[08:15:12.846398]<LimCore>apollo13: you are really helpfull
[08:15:48.328192]<apollo13>well I guess that's your problem, your inital sentences in this channel were so polite that I can't wait to help you
[08:16:05.271542]<apollo13>not that it would concern me, but well…
[08:16:07.155921]<LimCore>oh do you want a pony?
[08:16:13.412337]<apollo13>I have one, thx
[08:16:22.343418]<LimCore>what is this, candy land?
[08:16:34.753068]<LimCore>I said trac is good software overall. Just this date format is retarded
[08:16:58.739099]<gar>Sorry to jump in between you guys - but could someone help me figure out a problem?
[08:17:05.522299]<djszapi>apollo13: would you be so kind to help me please ?
[08:17:10.710032]<LimCore>dont ask to ask, just ask
[08:17:15.765255]<djszapi>figuring out the scheduletoolsplugin ?
[08:17:24.175718]<gar>Fair enough
[08:17:43.714824]<gar>Basically, I have 10 projects on 1 install of track, all using postgresql
[08:17:54.247353]<apollo13>djszapi: would, if I knew this plugin, but google ain't really helpful, so I have no idea what you are talking about^^
[08:17:56.409004]<gar>the thing is, only one of them will display tickets
[08:18:06.447939]<gar>but they all HAVE tickets in my database
[08:18:46.840312]<gar>I had moved the database over from another install
[08:18:51.683526]<gar>on a different machine
[08:18:55.851242]<gar>and upgraded from .10
[08:19:11.707065]<gar>I'm almost positive I've taken all the needed steps for upgrading
[08:19:47.027623]<gar>if it helps debug anything, the wiki on the front of each project displays" Trac error: Page WikiStart not found "
[08:20:38.582089]<gar>I've been googling for almost a week now trying to fix this - I just can't find a solution
[08:22:54.282811]<djszapi>apollo13: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/SchedulingToolsPlugin
[08:23:10.443489]<djszapi>I don't know how to use it's timetable and granttchart feature.
[08:23:32.878323]<apollo13>from the page; just put [[GanttChart]]
[08:23:33.031226]<apollo13>[[TimeTable]] in your wikipage?!
[08:23:56.260657]<apollo13>but to be honest, I don't know that plugin at all, so I doubt I'll be of much help
[08:28:06.724215]<gar>I just don't understand how 1 project can show tickets ( still not wiki however ), and the rest can't. To me that seems like a database connection error, but they all use the same database.
[08:28:54.688241]<djszapi>apollo13: it sounds funny to place it into my wikipage and it will work :)
[08:29:04.381480]<apollo13>djszapi: why?
[08:29:29.349841]<apollo13>did you try that?
[08:29:55.827385]<djszapi>nope.
[08:30:40.702603]<djszapi>the problem is not an error message but that where I can find these facilities.
[08:30:47.832792]<djszapi>I don't see any links for those ones.
[08:31:00.433174]<djszapi>I don't see anything that'd deal with it.
[08:31:12.509969]<djszapi>really, I'm totally hopeless in this regard.
[08:32:56.222076]<apollo13>the try it…
[08:33:19.010064]<djszapi>?
[08:33:20.514531]<apollo13>just create a wiki page where you won't the charts to be and add those macros
[08:33:40.154031]<apollo13>as I said put [[GanttChart]] and/or [[TimeTable]] in a wikipgae
[08:34:17.700523]<apollo13>I means it's even listed at http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/SchedulingToolsPlugin under examples
[08:34:35.936492]<djszapi>create with what informations ?
[08:34:40.486544]<djszapi>empty page is not okay.
[08:34:51.481488]<djszapi>yeah I saw the examples..
[08:34:58.029807]<apollo13>damn it, if you are not willing to try anything I can't help you either
[08:34:58.222146]<djszapi>but I don't know why it would be so really.
[08:35:01.631950]<apollo13>take a look at the source
[08:35:05.652660]<djszapi>...
[08:35:06.053660]<apollo13>I give a shit
[08:35:10.583044]<djszapi>...
[08:35:18.496973]<apollo13>I already told you twice how you get those tables working
[08:35:28.413590]<apollo13>if that works we can take about some advanced features
[08:35:40.352402]<apollo13>just if you don'T see how that could work it doesn't mean it won't work…
[08:35:49.142913]<apollo13>*wasted time*
[08:36:24.404279]<djszapi>???
[08:36:31.330697]<LimCore>oh shit, you said shit :o
[08:36:31.892869]*djszapi sighs
[08:36:51.544863]<djszapi>I asked what I should write into the wikipage.
[08:37:00.258709]<apollo13> [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]] [[GanttChart]]
[08:37:04.369976]<djszapi>what content because I can't create it with empty content
[08:37:09.360826]<apollo13>don't you get it or are you really that stupid?
[08:37:17.161883]<djszapi>???
[08:37:30.046177]<djszapi>[[GanttChart]] is a wiki link...
[08:37:35.586092]<djszapi>not a content
[08:37:36.849996]<apollo13>well then say that…
[08:37:43.022117]<djszapi>OMG
[08:38:16.226871]<apollo13>as I said I don't know that plugin, it could have created those pages…
[08:38:33.066022]<djszapi>with what contents ?
[08:38:39.185827]<djszapi>omg I ask it third times..
[08:38:47.120711]<apollo13>and btw [[GanttChart]] is a macro not a link
[08:38:55.564822]<apollo13>and I am sure it will work
[08:39:09.377196]<djszapi>with what contents ?
[08:39:11.218073]<djszapi>OMG
[08:39:16.526181]<djszapi>will you answer for me sometime ?
[08:39:27.216848]<apollo13>hell [GantChar] is a wiki link
[08:39:31.636031]<apollo13>[[GanttChart]] is a macro
[08:39:46.141088]<apollo13>just put that into your wiki page…
[08:39:50.389684]<apollo13>create a new
[08:39:55.356369]<apollo13>or put in on the frontpage
[08:39:56.061263]<djszapi>nothing happened
[08:40:03.510623]<apollo13>yeah well you never said that…
[08:40:32.905698]<apollo13>did you assign efforts to your tickets already?
[08:40:41.308107]<apollo13>maybe it has no data to generate anything yet…
[08:40:51.128489]<djszapi>ahahaha
[08:40:57.222439]<apollo13>or did you schedule the tickets…
[08:41:03.824057]<djszapi>10+ tickets are available...
[08:41:14.914883]<apollo13>is there a schedule set too etc?
[08:41:24.129013]<apollo13>as I said dig into the source I don't know your plugin either
[08:41:49.641973]<djszapi>schedule set ? what do you mean ?
[08:42:23.530782]<apollo13>well no idea, I am sure the SchedulingToolsPlugin added some extra options to the ticket page
[08:42:34.542655]<djszapi>nope
[08:42:34.750343]<apollo13>but I doubt I can help you, I don't have that plugin installed
[08:43:04.402889]<djszapi>that's why I don't like trac, million of plugins which are abandoned.
[08:43:16.215374]<apollo13>well that's not trac's fault
[08:43:28.847364]*LimCore pushes Trac developers into hellfire for using mm/dd/yy
[08:43:51.093374]<djszapi>trac is a small nothing to provide software on it's own.
[08:43:51.713390]<apollo13>at least I am sure the admin page has something to say: http://trac-hacks.org/browser/schedulingtoolsplugin/0.11/trunk/schedulingtools/admin.py :þ
[08:44:06.311394]<djszapi>it doesn't do so much things without plugins...
[08:44:29.130943]<apollo13>yeah well, I like it (at least with the plugins we use)
[08:44:34.435448]<djszapi>...
[08:44:36.011150]<apollo13>can't say much about other plugins
[08:44:43.620975]<djszapi>Well.
[08:44:54.998903]<djszapi>How do you draw such a graph then ?
[08:45:01.329957]<djszapi>without it it doesn't do nothing :)
[08:45:02.288748]<apollo13>How should I know?
[08:45:15.210301]<djszapi>that's it, you use just a very pure featureset.
[08:45:15.672999]<apollo13>I have no need for graphs
[08:45:21.709661]<djszapi>from the projectmanagement theory
[08:45:28.086441]<apollo13>yes that is correct
[08:45:31.380243]<djszapi>that's why I'm talking about.
[08:45:37.637315]<apollo13>at least if we are talking about graphs
[08:45:40.946534]<djszapi>trac is a very pure software
[08:45:49.309108]<djszapi>without providing real project management features..
[08:45:51.469594]<apollo13>well then why bother using it?
[08:46:03.956458]<djszapi>I won't use it of course
[08:46:09.762363]<djszapi>I've just add it a chance.
[08:46:10.279075]<apollo13>so problem solved :)
[08:46:15.322500]<djszapi>yes, absolutely.
[08:46:16.790803]<LimCore>is there something like Trac but with less fail in it:
[08:46:18.266798]<LimCore>?
[08:46:20.329558]<apollo13>btw writing plugins is easy ;)
[08:46:21.915063]<djszapi>yes
[08:46:25.246249]<djszapi>million programs
[08:46:35.423002]<djszapi>but I've guessed trac is okay for projectmanagement
[08:46:36.048645]<LimCore>foss, linux, svn integratin
[08:46:45.265608]<djszapi>and I didn't start to use more powerfull softwares.
[08:46:52.673277]<djszapi>but I was wrong.
[08:47:02.058662]<djszapi>trac is a stupid software for this purpose :)
[08:47:03.595225]<LimCore>that mm/dd/yy format is most retarded thing so far I encountered
[08:47:22.776868]<djszapi>trac is not okay for real project management.
[08:47:28.815839]<djszapi>we can say it definitely.
[08:47:34.431943]<apollo13>well depends on your needs
[08:47:48.326234]<LimCore>I was using it for quite serious project, it was quite ok
[08:47:56.543804]<LimCore>we had fucked up dates though
[08:48:10.132653]<djszapi>well.
[08:48:10.338374]<LimCore>apollo13: so, do you have any idea how to fix the dates format
[08:48:18.114096]<djszapi>how will your boss make graphs ?
[08:48:24.571616]<djszapi>about the work of staffs ?
[08:48:25.627472]<LimCore>he was not making them
[08:48:33.469544]<LimCore>5 devels
[08:48:37.558087]<djszapi>will he add the ticket hours manually and drawing one with hand ?
[08:48:48.356500]<djszapi>ridiculous
[08:49:11.254160]<apollo13>djszapi: don't trust any graph you didn't fake yourself
[08:49:19.193944]<djszapi>How can I add from until feature to the tickets ?
[08:49:23.410534]<apollo13>a boss relying on such graphs is ridiculous
[08:49:25.368234]<djszapi>it's very basic requirement
[08:49:45.310220]<djszapi>apollo13: have you ever worked multinational environment ?
[08:49:53.646130]<djszapi>don't take offensive, I'm just asking.
[08:50:05.467116]<apollo13>commercial no, opensource yes
[08:50:08.469058]<djszapi>...
[08:50:15.790320]<djszapi>I don't have more words.
[08:50:26.972678]<apollo13>well actually yes, but we didn't use trace there
[08:50:29.765140]<evil_steve>LimCore: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracFaq#how-do-i-change-the-format-used-for-displaying-date-and-time
[08:50:35.019616]<apollo13>or at least not with the features you mention
[08:51:19.127957]<LimCore>evil_steve: yeah Im trying to do tat
[08:51:21.246070]<djszapi>tutos has got much more feature.
[08:51:27.566385]<djszapi>and project has got too.
[08:51:50.897600]<apollo13>well then use it and be happy
[08:52:00.146445]<apollo13>not everyone nit a bloated thing like that…
[08:52:04.896558]<apollo13>(no offense :þ)
[08:52:59.677743]<djszapi>you're a wise man really :)
[08:53:18.016315]<apollo13>haha
[08:53:21.031630]<evil_steve>if you want some that does pretty graphs, etc, and happens to do VCS, then I'd suggest Atlassian's Fisheye or Bamboo
[08:53:43.196225]<djszapi>vcs is not point here.
[08:53:52.425451]<djszapi>gitweb is a very good webinterface.
[08:54:12.807020]<djszapi>the point is the typical and very very basic feature that every software director requires
[08:54:21.489790]<djszapi>to make graphs about the task of the staffs
[08:54:41.558388]<djszapi>when a task will be closed, which tasks run parallel, etc.
[08:54:49.847914]<apollo13>bugzilla maybe?
[08:54:55.398506]<evil_steve>like milestones, but in a pretty graph format
[08:54:57.500467]<apollo13>no idea about it's features so
[08:54:57.693597]<djszapi>that's the basic and very very minimal requirement of a projectmanager software
[08:55:02.543333]<djszapi>nope
[08:55:06.724980]<djszapi>not milestone of course
[08:55:23.384844]<djszapi>see the scheduletoolsplugin, you will understand me from the screenshot.
[08:55:28.433660]<evil_steve>and the ganntCalendarPlugin on trac-hacks doesn't do that?
[08:55:44.374088]<djszapi>ganttchart would do that...
[08:55:49.019153]<djszapi>as I said above.
[08:55:55.261576]<djszapi>please take a look at it.
[08:56:03.423140]<djszapi>and you will see what I'm talking about it.
[08:56:21.495643]<apollo13>djszapi: you should really start reading what evil_steve is suggesting
[08:56:32.806955]<djszapi>apollo13: rest in peace
[08:56:48.005898]<djszapi>* keep
[08:56:51.147147]<djszapi>keep in silent
[08:57:00.443138]<djszapi>evil_steve is more relevant than you ;)
[08:57:19.115516]<apollo13>at least I won't day like you oO
[08:57:32.858716]<djszapi>you won't do any relevant.
[08:58:16.239527]<apollo13>I think different; that's the gantt charts we use for trac: http://recurser.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/tracganttchart.png
[08:58:23.028369]<djszapi>evil_steve: http://recurser.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/traccalendar.png
[08:58:35.041316]<djszapi>it's a bit worse that I'd like to use
[08:58:58.849667]<djszapi>http://recurser.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/tracganttchart.png
[08:59:03.967616]<djszapi>hm with it maybe it's okay
[08:59:07.646954]<djszapi>evil_steve: thanks
[08:59:07.667076]<evil_steve>http://recurser.com/articles/2008/11/26/gantt-calendar-plugin-for-trac/
[08:59:32.199765]<djszapi>apollo13: please stop it.
[08:59:46.363749]<apollo13>djszapi: LOL
[08:59:56.087460]<djszapi>evil_steve: this one ? -> http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/GanttChartPlugin
[08:59:57.260752]<apollo13>btw any chance I know your stupid question from #django already?
[09:00:34.450377]<evil_steve>no, the one I was thinking of links off to the recurser gantt-calendar-plugin
[09:00:50.392207]<djszapi>I've just asked what you think from that plugin
[09:00:59.777682]<djszapi>because I didn't use that too.
[09:01:17.232060]<evil_steve>er...I can't really comment on what will for you or your projects
[09:01:27.798056]<evil_steve>from what I've seen you have a very specific need and requirement
[09:01:34.232140]<djszapi>of course not
[09:01:42.473424]<djszapi>just a basic and very very minimal
[09:01:56.577677]<djszapi>all my companies used this graph for project management
[09:02:01.194841]<djszapi>but not with trac.
[09:02:11.576243]<djszapi>with tutos and project named softwares
[09:02:28.160767]<evil_steve>yes, the gantt chart is pretty much a well known standard in the project management industry
[09:03:16.046462]<djszapi>then why did you said I require special things ?
[09:03:58.142604]<evil_steve>because I tried to help you set your initial instance up, and you kept telling me you had a specific requirement, and trac didn't seem to meet it...
[09:04:11.010523]<djszapi>no no
[09:04:15.009986]<djszapi>I've got very basic
[09:04:23.238815]<djszapi>ganttchart is ok for me.
[09:05:44.844204]<djszapi>hm this plugin seems and looks ok for me.
[09:05:47.484249]<djszapi>do you use it too ?
[09:06:25.090589]<evil_steve>no
[09:06:36.476512]<evil_steve>I mainly use trac for svn browsing, and the wiki
[09:07:05.802019]<evil_steve>A group I'm with have converted it to be their treasury payment tracking system, it seems to work well for them
[09:08:16.579135]<djszapi>I use git
[09:08:30.724968]<djszapi>and it's not important for me because gitweb is good enough
[09:09:11.688610]<djszapi>http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/GitwebPlugin
[09:09:19.366583]<djszapi>there is such a plugin, but I couldn't manage it.
[09:09:28.837014]<djszapi>You must configure a URL in trac.ini
[09:09:34.837021]<djszapi>I've got this error message.
[09:09:47.330792]<djszapi>I need to add the url of gitweb page, but I don't know how.
[09:10:29.568993]<apollo13>[gitweb]
[09:10:34.859838]<apollo13>url = http://…
[09:10:36.636674]<apollo13>obviously
[09:10:43.938306]<djszapi>http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/4704
[09:10:44.949030]<djszapi>:)
[09:11:01.646783]<djszapi>why is obvious ?
[09:11:05.498335]<djszapi>* is it
[09:11:10.901062]<apollo13>33 gitweb_url = Option('gitweb', 'url', doc='URL to gitweb')
[09:11:23.943545]<apollo13>if you have a slight idea of ini files that should be obvious
[09:11:26.546318]<djszapi>ohh I didn't browse the code of it because I don't know python.
[09:11:40.016662]<apollo13>I wouldn't say I know python either
[09:12:11.863791]<djszapi>the first parameter of the Option tells me [first parameter], doesn't it ?
[09:12:18.189767]<apollo13>jupp
[09:12:20.875102]<djszapi>thanks.
[09:12:26.881446]<apollo13>if you look the line below it's even more obvious
[09:12:29.838868]<apollo13> send_mime = BoolOption('gitweb', 'send_mime', default=False,
[09:12:29.922513]<djszapi>I didn't know it, really thanks
[09:12:37.108372]<apollo13>cause you can't have a parameter twice
[09:12:45.231359]<apollo13>though it must be some kind of grouping
[09:12:45.362041]<djszapi>?
[09:12:49.732024]<djszapi>ah-ok
[09:12:56.706618]<apollo13>s/though/so
[09:12:56.721342]<evil_twin>apollo13 meant: so it must be some kind of grouping
[09:13:11.561388]<djszapi>yes, apollo was clear.
[09:13:48.815425]<evil_steve>gah.
[09:13:48.834157]<apollo13>that plugin is fun
[09:13:52.907851]<evil_steve>it's my evil_twin
[09:14:04.450663]<apollo13>it really greps the gitweb page
[09:14:06.144179]<djszapi>why is it fun ?
[09:14:19.294462]<apollo13>well it opens a http request to that page and greps it
[09:14:30.277686]<djszapi>greps it ?
[09:14:33.318879]<djszapi>what do you mean ?
[09:14:44.227976]<apollo13>well reads the html and redisplays it
[09:15:04.252545]<apollo13>mind putting up a screenshot if you got it working?
[09:15:08.197112]<apollo13>wonder how it looks like
[09:15:17.712754]<apollo13>and apperently they don't rewrite links
[09:15:30.326123]<djszapi>i will show a screenshot of course
[09:17:05.243599]<djszapi>hm, I've got some apache issue :)
[09:21:38.472381]<djszapi>Is it a good way to reach a well designed page for that where the projects can be seen
[09:21:53.688738]<djszapi>so on the main page before clicking for any project, the default is very very poor
[09:21:55.707028]<djszapi>* pure
[09:22:10.309849]<apollo13>you can write your own template for that
[09:22:17.092417]<apollo13>should be in the trac faqs
[09:22:32.739950]<djszapi>ahhh
[09:22:37.327406]<djszapi>so it's my work...
[09:22:42.753385]<apollo13>http://127.0.0.1:8000/trac/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization#ProjectList
[09:22:44.702555]<apollo13>ups
[09:22:45.493779]<djszapi>without providing a good general page..
[09:22:59.889592]<apollo13>http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization#ProjectList
[09:23:00.398435]<apollo13>pretty easy
[09:23:34.739730]<djszapi>http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization
[09:23:39.017746]<djszapi>this one ?
[09:23:40.532404]<djszapi>ohh
[09:23:43.989977]<apollo13>:þ
[09:24:08.376252]<djszapi>so it's my work...
[09:24:29.768046]<djszapi>Can I delete plugins on the WebAdmin interface somehow ?
[09:25:00.111618]<apollo13>well you can deactivate them from there, to really delete them you need to rm them from the filesystem
[09:25:20.475570]<djszapi>so there isn't any interface for it on the WebAdmin, Ok.
[09:25:39.092501]<apollo13>well it wouldn't be such a good idea to do that
[09:25:49.092714]<apollo13>usually trac runs under a user with minimal rights
[09:26:01.834490]<apollo13>so he wouldn't be able to remove some of them at all
[09:26:09.911871]<djszapi>as a TRAC_ADMIN ?
[09:26:11.869541]<djszapi>don't kidding.
[09:26:21.080982]<apollo13>no, unix users I mean
[09:26:25.822725]<djszapi>...
[09:26:29.383367]<apollo13>the users running the trac process
[09:26:32.606609]<apollo13>www-data or whatever
[09:26:33.440683]<djszapi>there is trac-admin command...
[09:26:37.492161]<apollo13>yes
[09:26:40.864271]<apollo13>what about it?
[09:26:47.446000]<djszapi>permission add user TRAC-ADMIN...
[09:27:00.547348]<apollo13>tracs users != unix users
[09:27:14.624716]<djszapi>what are you talking about ?
[09:27:35.030939]<apollo13>the user which is running the trac process in your os
[09:27:43.680285]<apollo13>not the users you log into trac with
[09:28:08.191837]<djszapi>then why can they install it ?
[09:28:12.102773]<djszapi>don't kidding please
[09:28:18.987938]<apollo13>install what?
[09:28:31.412040]<apollo13>ah via the webinterface you mean?
[09:28:43.688677]<apollo13>well trac has a folder where users can upload and install their plugins
[09:28:52.165003]<apollo13>which should be writeable if configured correctly
[09:29:01.010004]<djszapi>LimCore: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/DateFieldPlugin
[09:29:04.265294]<djszapi>did you try it ?
[09:29:05.312358]<apollo13>but plugins could be stored everywhere on your system
[09:29:16.588681]<apollo13>even where the user running trac has no access to it
[09:29:26.486579]<djszapi>what're you talking about ?
[09:29:37.133782]<apollo13>omg I give it up
[09:29:40.358467]<djszapi>moving to a location isn't different from removing from that location...
[09:29:45.656879]<apollo13>yes
[09:29:48.791905]<djszapi>...
[09:30:04.947240]<apollo13>but not al plugins which show up in the webadmin got moved there by the way you describe
[09:30:10.118158]<apollo13>eg it also lists Trac itself
[09:30:26.215446]<apollo13>which you obviously can't upload in the first place, cause you need trac to do…
[09:30:58.768022]<djszapi>then those plugins should be removed...
[09:31:02.915280]<apollo13>why?
[09:31:13.357705]<djszapi>omg I give it up
[09:31:16.997454]<apollo13>I often share plugins between several trac processes
[09:31:23.799555]<apollo13>the users should be able to use them
[09:31:35.903886]<djszapi>please leave me :)
[09:32:20.161824]<apollo13>I really hope you never deploy a trac instance to the real world (no offense)
[09:32:44.425257]<apollo13>but that's for another day :þ
[09:35:01.059135]<djszapi>I really hope you never deploy a life instance to the real world :)
[09:35:42.196753]<apollo13>lol, at least you are amusing, can't deny that
[09:39:44.835777]<djszapi>lawl
[09:39:52.979428]<djszapi>to much tabs in the tab line, hehe
[09:40:30.216424]<djszapi>why isn't there a plugin or a unity tab for the extended tab instead of separate tabs for each one ?
[09:43:41.801052]<djszapi>apollo13: which plugings do you use ?
[09:45:14.607721]<apollo13>well hg integration, some irc log plugin and a xmlrpc interface
[09:45:42.083818]<djszapi>What do you use xmlrpc for ?
[09:46:02.642686]<apollo13>to connect trac to other systems
[09:46:15.935431]<djszapi>like ?
[09:46:29.254855]<apollo13>well our customer management system
[09:46:38.714405]<apollo13>so you can close bugs from there
[09:46:45.560351]<apollo13>or more important open them
[09:49:03.554707]<djszapi>which customer management system do you use ?
[09:50:06.405477]<apollo13>no idea (honestly, they just told me which interface they need and I wrote it, never used their system)
[09:50:17.642850]<djszapi>ah-ok
[09:50:48.910243]<djszapi>http://www.sugarcrm.com/crm/download/sugar-suite.html
[09:50:51.101481]<djszapi>maybe this one :P
[09:51:35.892129]<apollo13>doubt we use php, but who knows
[09:54:56.271516]<djszapi>anyway, thanks everything apollo13, evil_steve
[09:55:30.293125]<djszapi>have a nice day.
[10:01:17.007325]<evil_steve>wow
[10:01:20.556443]<evil_steve>just...wow.
[10:05:57.358869]<rblank>evil_steve: What's that?
[10:06:35.742340]<apollo13>one wow? only?
[10:34:01.074541]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #8954 (trac-admin hotcopy should export database dump for non-sqlite projects) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8954>
[11:20:45.491922]<FFForever>Do you have a guide on install trac within my user account (i do not have root) and then setting it up with mod_python
[11:47:22.182458]<bionoid>FFForever: Look up virtualenv
[11:47:42.082875]<bionoid>FFForever: Not sure about the mod_python part though, but that works with tracd for sure
[11:53:57.108020]<FFForever>bionoid, sorry for the late reply i was cooking, Is it possible to setup trac without ssh?, my host has been hacked a few times dude to some idiots/abusers and have rejected all ssh applications since
[11:54:32.327378]<bionoid>Eh, no that's going to be tough. Get a real host.
[12:04:02.613954]<gozerbot>trac: DistributedTrac edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/DistributedTrac?version=4>
[13:34:03.599825]<gozerbot>trac: Changeset [9036]: 0.12dev: Ensure the author of a ticket comment is always taken from the ... - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/9036>
[14:04:03.192064]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #8955 (ValueError: I/O operation on closed file) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8955>
[14:34:03.836526]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #8955 (ValueError: I/O operation on closed file) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8955#comment:2>
[16:04:04.868941]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #8890 (Can't add BROWSER_VIEW with blank repository_dir in trac.ini) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8890#comment:2> || Ticket #5525 (Allow trac.ini to include other files) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5525#comment:41> || Changeset [9037]: 0.12dev: Allow inheriting from multiple files in `trac.ini` by specifying ... - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/9037>
[17:04:05.394303]<gozerbot>trac: Changeset [9038]: 0.12dev: Enlarged the "remove" button in the ticket query, and replaced ... - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/9038>
[18:07:34.210537]<rubic>I'm thinking of emailing daily reminders to ticket owners. One email/day with links to all their open tickets. Before I embark, is anybody already doing something similar?
[20:45:10.671074]<pacopablo>ok, who's up for a trac Sprint at PyCon this year?
[20:45:23.517580]<pacopablo>coderanger_: you going to pycon again this year?
[20:45:32.975609]<coderanger_>I y'am :-)
[20:45:46.462467]<coderanger_>I'll be there the 19th through the 25th
[20:48:31.629008]<pacopablo>no sprinting this year, eh?
[20:48:52.793037]<pacopablo>duh, ignore me
[20:48:57.512736]<pacopablo>was looking at the worng month ;)
[20:49:49.003836]*pacopablo isn't sure what he's smoking, cus he's leaving on the 25th also
[20:51:33.296214]<coderanger_>woot
[20:51:49.166552]<coderanger_>Know if anyone else is going?
[20:52:12.983204]<pacopablo>eli will be ther
[20:52:23.732529]<pacopablo>I'm sharing a room with him this year
[20:52:36.507199]<pacopablo>he thinks he'll be there through the 25th also
[20:52:50.463607]<coderanger_>huzzah
[20:53:01.233616]<coderanger_>and hopefully alec can con google into sending him :-)
[20:58:29.732704]<coderanger_>though he might be doing the honeymoon thang
[21:22:35.776514]<pacopablo>what? he's getting/got married?
[21:23:04.858406]<coderanger_>Yeah, a few weeks ago
[21:23:30.195720]<pacopablo>wow
[21:23:35.819470]<pacopablo>well, good for him
[21:23:50.014915]<pacopablo>bbl
[21:23:55.421251]<coderanger_>http://twitter.com/alecthomas/status/7377328700
[21:23:57.117353]<coderanger_>:-)
[22:42:02.309758]<djszapi>Hello!
[22:42:23.818621]<djszapi>Is there any facility to print graph from trac interface ?
[22:42:35.180254]<djszapi>not the whole page but just the graph of the desired page ?
[23:42:08.845581]<tim>hi all - I would like to know is there a way to enable for the search field in TRAC by default only the Ticket flag and not Changesets, Milestones, Wiki?
[23:42:58.430937]<tim>but I use more often the search for a specific Ticket rather than for Changesets and so I would like to enable the 3 other flags manually