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[00:18:19.821557]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #9052 (Exception: Error executing command (return code = 4): ...) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9052#comment:1>
[01:00:05.726365]<otaku42>moin
[01:06:34.926497]<infid>how do i make it so the 'browse source' button doesn't show up?
[01:10:07.650757]<otaku42>infid: remove the BROWSER_VIEW permission from the user that should not be allowed to "browse source"
[02:18:22.926619]<gozerbot>trac: WikiCreole edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiCreole?version=8>
[03:18:23.141395]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #9053 (debug log does not list macro load error) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9053> || WikiCreole edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiCreole?version=9>
[03:48:23.496071]<gozerbot>trac: WikiCreole edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiCreole?version=10>
[04:18:26.038312]<gozerbot>trac: TracDev/ReleaseNotes/0.13 edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ReleaseNotes/0.13?version=2>
[04:48:23.107255]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #9054 (Wsgi problem with unicode in headers on Win32) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9054>
[05:18:23.014976]<gozerbot>trac: TracDev/Proposals/AdvancedWikiFormatting edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/Proposals/AdvancedWikiFormatting?version=20> || TracDev/Proposals/AdvancedWikiFormatting edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/Proposals/AdvancedWikiFormatting?version=19>
[05:48:24.207103]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #9055 (Auto numbering in wiki tables) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9055>
[06:06:09.420071]<warjest>is there a plugin where you can optionally not send out an email when a ticket is updated? for example, a minor change
[06:40:45.136946]<bionoid>warjest: Have a look at AnnouncerPlugin
[06:48:24.611337]<gozerbot>trac: TracDev/Proposals/AdvancedWikiFormatting edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/Proposals/AdvancedWikiFormatting?version=21>
[07:21:37.354034]<s0undt3ch>hello ppl
[07:21:47.837500]<s0undt3ch>anyone tried running trac with tornado?
[07:48:26.661506]<gozerbot>trac: TracTermsHe created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTermsHe?version=1>
[08:18:32.336168]<gozerbot>trac: TracTermsHe edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTermsHe?version=4> || TracTermsHe edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTermsHe?version=3> || TracTermsHe edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTermsHe?version=2> || TracTermsSv edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTermsSv?version=6>
[08:21:40.219006]<zimmermanc>Dumb question if I'm trying to setup the header logo where do I put it? I'm not sure even where the trac docroot is.
[08:22:38.398822]<cmc>Do you know where your trac environment is?
[08:24:22.745725]<zimmermanc>Evidently I don't, I think that's exactly the problem yesterday. I overlooked that whoever installed this as duplicate env dirs
[08:24:32.255814]<zimmermanc>in seemingly similar spots. I was mistaken it seems
[08:25:59.770626]<zimmermanc>Argh, there's the admin tab
[08:26:06.687058]<zimmermanc>*facepalm*
[08:27:05.219639]<cmc>:)
[08:27:22.452033]<cmc>when you find the environment, put the logo in the htdocs dir
[08:27:46.193873]<cmc>then reference it as src = /site/logo.png
[08:27:54.606154]<cmc>sorry, src = site/logo.png
[08:29:10.351875]<zimmermanc>ah thanks for that I was scratching my head why logo.png wasn't working
[08:48:27.999401]<gozerbot>trac: TracTermsHe edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTermsHe?version=5>
[09:18:27.606373]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #6482 (wiki format bug) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6482#comment:2>
[09:49:32.186359]<fatbrain>Q: Where can I configure which order the menu items get displayed? ('Wiki', 'Timeline', 'Roadmap' ... etc)
[09:59:38.837369]<retracile>fatbrain: there is an .ini entry for it
[09:59:51.967767]<retracile>fatbrain: look for mainnav and/or metanav, IIRC.
[10:01:55.050602]<cmc>fatbrain: http://trac.edgewall.org/demo-0.11/wiki/TracIni#trac-section mainnav
[10:12:13.466362]<fatbrain>retracile, cmc: thanks.
[10:13:03.260904]<c64zottel>hello
[10:13:54.954375]<c64zottel>is it possible to make an internal link to a page without using camel case notation, even if it is on?
[10:14:25.614031]<cmc>http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracLinks
[10:15:20.191434]<cmc>actually, http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiFormatting#Links is probably better
[10:18:29.313066]<gozerbot>trac: TracTermsSv edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTermsSv?version=7>
[10:23:25.885378]<c64zottel>ah thats good, thanks!
[11:26:40.530751]<infid>otaku42: actually you just delete 'browser' from mainnav in trac.ini i just noticed
[12:36:43.181241]<btQuark>hello - is there currently any kind of used-in-wild approach for trac forges?
[12:37:38.594141]<hylje>a project multiplex?
[12:40:07.256804]<Sacho>would running 0.12 be advisable at this point?
[12:40:57.561981]<btQuark>hylie something like jira - multiple projects, indexes, acls, users etc
[12:41:07.482112]<btQuark>create a new project via web
[12:42:03.276832]<btQuark>trac is clearly a nice&good tool although jira offers more for enterprise usage..
[12:44:58.754460]<cmc>Jira is also proprietary and expensive
[12:46:15.064647]<cmc>Trac is "a minimalistic approach to web-based software project management" with emphasis on the minimalistic
[12:46:50.786550]<btQuark>sure, but does this need to include "not usable for enterprise usage"
[12:46:59.847462]<Sacho>whatever enterprise usage means
[12:47:09.450296]<cmc>we use it in our enterprise
[12:47:42.109982]<btQuark>sure we do too, but is it a lot of custom fumbling with shell scripts, more shell scripts and some arcane incantations
[12:47:51.091533]<cmc>when we need a new project, we make it (~5 min)
[12:48:32.449176]<cmc>I'm not sure which shell scripts you have created, or what they do, but trac's worked just fine for us
[12:48:55.902068]<btQuark>we are using about 100 projects
[12:48:56.122969]<retracile>btQuark: What about the meetings, authorization process, sign-offs, etc. of an enterprise situation? ;)
[12:49:14.845845]<btQuark>they get handled too
[12:50:02.108560]<btQuark>actually we were trying to automate the process for new projects until "have a rpc interface to create&populate a new trac instance along with the rest according to the signed papers"
[12:51:02.226220]<cmc>it wouldn't be too hard to automate said process. add a db. setup trac env. add apache config. go
[12:51:42.813405]<cmc>but, I don't think that most people use trac that way
[12:51:44.650036]<retracile>btQuark: I suspect osimons has done something similar for coderesort
[12:52:34.203087]*btQuark throws coderesort into his google
[12:53:05.991760]<retracile>btQuark: should be the first hit
[12:53:31.666034]<cmc>it has a nice skin!
[12:55:36.320567]<cmc>EUR/ 125 per month
[12:55:47.374823]<cmc>open source gets you far these days ;)
[12:55:49.254492]<btQuark>found it, having a look
[13:06:09.733734]<osimons>yo. i'm around if anyone got questions.
[13:06:10.334129]<osimons>.
[13:06:43.811649]<cmc>no question from me, but coderesort looks nice
[13:06:53.460027]<cmc>good job!
[13:07:48.039004]<osimons>thanks, cmc - been up > 5 years now :-)
[13:55:17.647794]<Dutchy>http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/FlashEmbedMacro I'm trying to install this, but it mentions nowhere how to enable it... http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPlugins says I can see in the source what i need to enable, but i cant find it
[13:55:25.450947]<Dutchy>Can somebody help me with this?
[13:56:04.099652]<Dutchy>I've installed it with easy_install and that gave no errors so i think it worked
[13:56:09.131951]<cmc>have you ever installed a plugin before
[13:56:58.200462]<Dutchy>yeah
[13:57:08.082723]<Dutchy>I've install AccountManager
[13:57:21.747937]<Dutchy>so I know plugins in general work
[13:57:29.370566]<Dutchy>installed*
[13:57:35.182322]<cmc>alright, you said you installed with easy_install. did you restart apache/tracd?
[13:57:49.501012]<Dutchy>ahh!
[13:58:24.934535]<Dutchy>i forgot to restart apache -_-
[13:58:34.345842]<Dutchy>thanks cmc :)
[13:58:40.733192]<cmc>no problem
[14:05:42.916838]<mejla>hi, can anybody help me with migrating a python script for generating html from wiki pages? We used that in trac 0.10, now in 0.11 it fails with the followin error:
[14:06:08.211696]<mejla>http://www.fpaste.org/bO41/
[15:31:42.975848]<VxJasonxV>How is the order of Custom Ticket Fields determined?
[15:31:59.582473]<VxJasonxV>And yes, I mean the custom ticket fields themselves, not a single select list field.
[15:34:12.513791]<osimons>by their .order optional property
[15:35:04.421490]<osimons>VxJasonxV: got a plugin if you want easy management and reordering: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/CustomFieldAdminPlugin
[15:40:36.876733]<VxJasonxV>...
[15:40:40.797502]*VxJasonxV sighs
[15:40:51.671210]<VxJasonxV>how did I miss the fact that "order" was on all of them?
[15:41:04.211294]<VxJasonxV>wtg Jason! \o/
[15:41:08.277397]<VxJasonxV>OTZ
[15:42:40.915038]<VxJasonxV>huh
[15:42:48.035644]<VxJasonxV>so, unset .order has a higher order than a set one?
[15:43:08.269438]<VxJasonxV>I mean, barring the system default ones (type, priority, cc, severity, etc.), custom fields with no order has a higher value?
[15:43:12.406722]<VxJasonxV>that or it assumes 0
[15:44:05.133295]<VxJasonxV>it assumes 0, because I set -1 and it went up to the top of the list
[15:44:06.240348]<VxJasonxV>awesome :D
[16:05:08.899958]<osimons>VxJasonxV: yes - 'order' defaults to 0 if not set
[16:11:31.423197]<osimons>doki_pen: around?
[16:18:33.683007]<gozerbot>trac: TracTermsHe edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTermsHe?version=6>
[18:02:07.141050]<doki_pen>osimons: pong
[18:03:21.335574]<osimons>doki_pen: hi there. got very late now, but i've been reading up on the lamson project and was wondering if you've made any progress with your "tracgate"?
[18:10:26.480148]<doki_pen>osimons: not much since last time, what do you have in mind?
[18:13:46.649604]<doki_pen>osimons: I think it's usable in it's current state
[18:14:21.642141]<osimons>reading up on it, and will perhaps embark on such a project to get integrated mail handling for all projects at my hosted service
[18:14:57.837558]<doki_pen>osimons: well, consider using what I started on, and you'll get my help for free
[18:15:48.140716]<doki_pen>osimons: it's still high on my list, I've just been busy with wrapping up a project and putting out some fires
[18:16:09.511692]<osimons>kind of like a combination of mailing-list + trac resource modification by email. much like what describe.
[18:16:53.933010]<doki_pen>osimons: do you have other resources in mind, aside from wiki and tickets?
[18:17:57.278256]<osimons>perhaps, that should be generic though - make an interface for it and if something handles it then let it. for me, typically blog: would be such a resource
[18:18:28.543778]<osimons>(ie. add comments by email for my fullblogplugin in some future version with better notification built-in)
[18:19:07.166835]<osimons>but anyway, the basic idea should be generic and handlers for specific resources should be modular and pluggable
[18:19:51.006482]<osimons>the rest of the mail should just go to the project mailing list - and make a trac plugin threaded mailing list viewer, with simple admin + simple web posting form.
[18:19:51.284836]<doki_pen>osimons: sure, the main interface is extremely generic
[18:19:57.851386]<osimons>... i think...
[18:20:17.904028]<doki_pen>osimons: also, I have a fullblog-announcer plugin
[18:20:47.994013]<doki_pen>osimons: http://github.com/dokipen/trac-fullblogannouncements-plugin
[18:20:56.159196]<doki_pen>osimons: do you use announcer plugin?
[18:21:04.230370]<osimons>yeah, i know - it was just an example for how everything should be pluggable
[18:21:14.515578]<osimons>no, i don't use announcer plugin at coderesort
[18:21:38.099140]<doki_pen>osimons: what version of trac do you use?
[18:21:49.586560]<osimons>0.11 latest
[18:23:28.396323]<doki_pen>the site looks good, what do you use for the main page?
[18:23:30.615176]<osimons>i've got tons of projects though, and would need to rethink the whole "preferences" idea for users - can't peg it at individual project-level only. i'm not looking at user-configurable at this stage
[18:24:27.849416]<osimons>a "Home" plugin I made as default handler for projects
[18:24:29.819588]<doki_pen>osimons: i see, how do you meanage users now? It's a problem I've been thinking about too
[18:24:43.130225]<doki_pen>osimons: I don't want to have to set my setting sin every project
[18:24:50.236438]<doki_pen>osimons: we have >200
[18:25:08.802678]<doki_pen>osimons: the good thing is that, as consultants, we usually only use one at a time
[18:25:24.973845]<doki_pen>osimons: but still, i have to setup my prefs each time I change projects
[18:25:47.135835]<osimons>got a custom user setup with registration and login. and yes, very often only a few at a time, but... some users are involved in a lot of projects
[18:26:18.458454]<osimons>i've just disabled prefs and don't do per-project user preferences
[18:26:22.111101]<doki_pen>osimons: are you using postgres?
[18:26:33.055865]<osimons>nope. sqlite
[18:27:03.924230]<doki_pen>osimons: us too, I setup something cool to see all your tickets between projects, but it requires postgres
[18:27:24.705379]<doki_pen>we have the ability to use postgres now, but the man upstairs is scared to change
[18:27:47.734963]<osimons>i got that, but just using ticket listeners updating a table in a separate shared database
[18:28:05.143400]<doki_pen>osimons: ah, good idea
[18:28:11.931346]<doki_pen>osimons: i used triggers
[18:28:28.899410]<osimons>it just keeps open tickets in the table - ITicketListener or whatever it is called again
[18:28:43.475468]<doki_pen>osimons: yeah, I hadn't thought of it
[18:29:33.392347]<osimons>update that table whenever interesting things happen - and some support code to drop/recreate the cache table if needed
[18:29:49.525165]<osimons>(typically when adding/removing projects)
[18:31:11.327530]<doki_pen>osimons: I can't wait for multirepo support
[18:32:02.408569]<doki_pen>so i can let the designers stick with svn, and use git or hg for code
[18:32:38.884400]<osimons>i see the usefulness, but it won't be for me for now - got more than enough trouble getting all to understand and use the shared repos properly...
[18:32:43.983761]<doki_pen>anyway, family wants me. but i have monday off, so I might get some work done
[18:32:51.855536]<doki_pen>lol,
[18:33:07.945260]<osimons>catch you later, doki_pen. thanks.
[18:33:14.495343]<doki_pen>the way i see it, is they can screw up the svn and I can keep the code repo clean
[18:33:18.370334]<doki_pen>good luck
[18:33:24.913696]<osimons>03:30 here. sleeps.
[18:34:09.278827]<doki_pen>haha