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[00:07:14.681479]<otaku42>moin
[00:13:09.942874]<otaku42>when entering #trac, now the correct url (http://trac.edgewall.org) will be displayed
[00:22:51.311989]<DaMato>re
[00:23:26.238794]<DaMato>is svn blame support already integrated in 0.11.6?
[00:26:46.354749]<DaMato>ah, got it :)
[00:48:43.692753]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #9122 (Cannot create any ticket) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9122#comment:1> || Changeset [9337]: ticket: Fixed a typo introduced in [9330]. - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/9337> || Ticket #9121 (bug report) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9121#comment:3>
[01:32:27.024111]<DaMato>how can I force strftime() to use english locale in python? some plugins try to use it and output the date/time in german locale here which causes a "Genshi UnicodeDecodeError"
[01:37:15.006071]<DaMato>ah, using asctime() instead solves the issue.
[01:48:43.440301]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #9123 (WikiFormatting in link text does not work) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9123>
[02:37:49.524578]<miki|work>hey
[02:38:00.608160]<miki|work>having a small issue here
[02:38:16.207105]<miki|work>trac-admin isn't asking me about the repository information
[02:38:26.593409]<miki|work>when i init the environment
[02:39:28.349520]<miki|work>is that some kind of automation that it finds the svn by itself?
[02:48:43.402692]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #9115 (hide cc: email-address better from other users) reopened - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9115#comment:3>
[02:48:57.258237]<otaku42>miki|work: which trac version?
[02:50:09.167507]<otaku42>miki|work: if 0.12: please refer to http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.12/TracInstall#CreatingaProjectEnvironment
[02:50:19.594308]<miki|work>0.12 it seems
[02:50:21.556235]<otaku42>miki|work: especially: "Since 0.12, Trac doesn't ask for a source code repository anymore when creating an environment. Repositories can be added afterward, or the version control support can be disabled completely if you don't need it."
[02:50:24.329384]<miki|work>svn'd it from trunk
[02:50:47.759618]<otaku42>miki|work: then it's 0.12dev, yes. no, it does not find the subversion repository automagically.
[02:50:59.289339]<miki|work>ok, understood
[03:18:50.130179]<gozerbot>trac: ProcessorBazaar edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/ProcessorBazaar?version=67>
[03:57:29.335162]<macmaN>!seen jhamme
[03:57:29.340310]<evil_twin>no logs for jhamme, however, I remember seeing: jhammel, jhammel_
[03:57:35.732141]<macmaN>!seen jhammel
[03:57:35.740607]<evil_twin>jhammel was last seen on irc.freenode.net at Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:01:57 +0100, quitting: Quit: errands
[04:00:48.091298]<osimons>macmaN: a bit too early for jeff, i think. iirc, he is US west-coast somewhere
[04:01:24.362221]<macmaN>right. thought id ask him how he's approached cboos new ticket layout with this sidebarplugin
[04:04:41.954094]<osimons>ok. oh. looks like he is east-coast now actually. anyway, usually gets on sometime within the next couple of hours.
[04:16:33.032957]<miki|work>hm, $ENV
[04:16:51.337801]<miki|work>what should that resolve to and where should it be specified at?
[04:23:28.988864]<miki|work>ah, nicely explained in repository admin page
[04:37:37.282245]<Delis>hallo
[04:39:15.739298]<Delis>I got a question. Is it possible to change "New Ticket"-Layout (or at least to define the order of fields and custom fields) withot altering the source of Trac ? I thought it could be an existing plugin to do it, but I couldn't find any.
[04:41:42.214747]<kirean>Delis: there is a black magic-plugin, might do something like that for you
[04:43:26.105256]<Delis>thx. I saw this one, but as I understood, I can define visibility of fields and permissions but not the order of them on the page....
[04:45:51.492613]<kirean>Delis: you can define order of custom fields, but I remember that std fields wre harder
[04:48:09.502178]<Delis>kirean: So if I understand right, I could define the order of custom field on "New Ticket" page with Black Magic plugin ?
[04:48:44.625197]<kirean>Delis: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTicketsCustomFields
[04:48:44.729746]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #9115 (hide cc: email-address better from other users) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9115#comment:6>
[04:49:18.849698]<kirean>Delis: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/CustomFieldAdminPlugin
[04:51:41.509745]<Delis>kirean: thx a lot. hopefully its really what I'm looking for.
[04:52:46.172995]<kirean>Delis: unfortunatelly you can only define the order between custom fields, std fields always comes first
[04:53:30.378242]<kirean>Delis: but I am not a Trac developer, only user.. one of the developers might know better if there is some way to fix that
[04:53:47.406959]<kirean>osimons?
[04:54:29.845033]<Delis>kirean: thanks. sorting at least custom fields is still better than don't sort any. :)
[04:54:31.949951]<macmaN>wow, this has got to be like find of the first quarter of 2010
[04:54:41.013931]<macmaN>https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/67651?src=api
[04:57:42.586982]<osimons>kirean, Delis: the CustomFieldAdminPlugin don't do anything other than provide a web interface for editing trac.ini - so ordering of fields and so on are already supported by trac. still, the webadmin just makes it nicer and easier than manual edits.
[05:03:36.302756]<Delis>osimons, kirean: thnx a lot to both of you. I looked over the CustomFieldAdminPlugin information page and so the "order" paramter for fields. it seems to work even with std field. the only question I still have is - how it works. I tried some changes with order and fields are changing places, but I can't figure out on what ruls. I have two columns.... so where should be "order = 0" ?
[05:18:45.175595]<gozerbot>trac: WikiRename edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiRename?version=7>
[05:22:13.472178]<osimons>@seen Blackhex
[05:22:13.817311]<evil_twin>blackhex was last seen on irc.freenode.net at Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:15:34 +0100, quitting: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090703, built on: 2009/07/23 21:28:09 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/"
[05:22:14.902096]<gozerbot>blackhex was last seen on irc.freenode.net at Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:10:13 +0100, quitting: Client Quit
[05:24:45.284763]<kirean>Delis: did you figure it out?
[05:28:54.801995]<Delis>kirean: it seems really that the custom fields just by using "order" parameter can be moved. like "customfield.order=0". 0 is in this case a first free slot after the std.fields (those really seem to be unmoveble....). The order goes from right to left. so if you have 5 std. fields. the 0 would be 3rd position in right colum than 1 would be the 4th position in the left one.
[05:38:07.757921]<cekpo>hi there, i've just installed 0.12 version which supports multiple repos, my question is how can i create a ticket based on the repos ? (different repos, different project).
[05:38:14.122930]<cekpo>I don't understand how can I separate things like components based on different project
[05:46:29.100965]<macmaN>you cannot
[05:46:53.443321]<macmaN>0.12 is stepping stone, there is no true multiple project support yet
[05:47:36.153365]<macmaN>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2400602/should-i-start-with-trac-0-12/
[05:47:44.638519]<macmaN>just wrote that up
[05:48:45.091763]<gozerbot>trac: WikiCreole edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiCreole?version=11>
[05:52:25.776632]<cekpo>so, for multiple project, it's more suitable to use multiple trac environment ?
[05:53:19.167021]<macmaN>if youre serious about it, browser through at least MultipleProjectSupport on t.e.o.
[05:53:35.773162]<macmaN>beacuse the answer usually is "it depends"
[05:56:20.186903]<cekpo>alright, thanks, i just toggle your answer in stackoverflow as accepted :)
[06:18:44.976157]<gozerbot>trac: WikiCreole/creole1.0test.txt created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiCreole/creole1.0test.txt?version=1>
[06:42:59.358549]*retracile utters something unflattering about mornings.
[08:13:22.825381]<Spec>Ah, another glorious day.
[08:13:34.705154]<Spec>So, I see this changeset in trac: http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7569
[08:14:18.284346]<Spec>And I'm running trac0.11.1, but when I search for "doom" (which is an entry in ticket #1, in a custom field), it returns with no results, as if it werent' searching custom fields....
[08:15:45.820294]<osimons>Spec: then no wonder it won't work... See http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/tags - 0.11.1 was tagged in r7451
[08:15:55.610404]<Spec>gah
[08:15:59.101844]<Spec>sorry ;(
[08:16:14.545535]<Spec>thanks.
[08:16:17.512078]<osimons>Spec: +1 for upgrade if your version is that old...
[08:18:36.591513]<Spec>osimons: so, "all" plugins for 0.11 should work with 0.11* versions? :)
[08:19:22.257307]<jhammel>Spec: ideally, but probably not IRL
[08:23:48.591776]<Spec>that sounds comforting ;)
[08:42:48.847259]<webPragmatist>is it possible to add a video to trac wiki?
[08:46:35.336338]<otaku42>webPragmatist: iirc there is a plugin/macro available on trac-hacks.org that helps with that
[08:46:52.968867]<webPragmatist>otaku42: can i add files to the protected area of trac?
[08:47:03.502246]<otaku42>webPragmatist: protected area?
[08:47:22.647089]<osimons>webPragmatist: any trac wiki, or THE trac wiki? ususally all embed/object/javascript is stripped out (sanatized), but see option [wiki] render_unsafe_content to enable it if you don't run a public trac
[08:47:46.638849]<osimons>if public trac then use a macro that renders just what you need (various on trac-hacks.org)
[08:48:02.771675]<webPragmatist>but i would have to upload it somewhere is the next issue
[08:48:08.210252]<webPragmatist>the flv and player
[08:48:46.319093]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #9124 (Request-URI Too Large) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9124>
[08:49:10.272430]<webPragmatist>oh
[08:49:11.796024]<osimons>the player? that is just client, i guess? the usual is to attach the file to a wiki page for instance, and then reference it from there?
[08:49:20.161517]<webPragmatist>i guess you could just add it as an attachment
[08:49:38.966645]<jhammel>and include it with the <video> tag ;)
[08:50:52.921439]<webPragmatist>jhammel: ?
[08:51:10.909479]<webPragmatist>osimons: there needs to be a swf player… and a flv (mp4) ?
[08:51:11.734282]<webPragmatist>http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/FlashEmbedMacro
[08:51:33.028871]<webPragmatist>unless that plugin provides a player as well
[08:51:35.176829]<webPragmatist>embedded player
[08:51:52.235708]<jhammel>webPragmatist: HTML5 ;) http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_video.asp
[08:52:16.252191]<webPragmatist>hrm
[08:52:36.334216]<osimons>webPragmatist: the browser of the client has the player (ie. usually flash). it needs to be served the file in the right way to trigger the playing.
[08:52:39.499211]<jhammel>webPragmatist: though i was basically kidding, as not many clients support that tag yet
[08:53:03.742322]<webPragmatist>jhammel: well … really I have control over who views this trac page
[08:53:04.988056]*jhammel doesn't even know if trac/genshi respects HTML5
[08:53:05.937018]<osimons>jhammel: one day.... and not-so distant future either, html5 is picking up speed fast
[08:53:18.969564]<osimons>webPragmatist: is your trac public or private?
[08:53:21.882064]<webPragmatist>private
[08:53:32.049890]<webPragmatist>render_unsafe_tags is still necessary?
[08:54:01.687417]<jhammel>webPragmatist: only if you don't trust your users to write good markup
[08:54:12.747887]<webPragmatist>I'm writing it lol they are just viewing it
[08:54:24.726413]<webPragmatist>but i understand
[08:54:54.491651]<webPragmatist>ah cool
[08:54:58.768278]<osimons>webPragmatist: the setting is for user-submittable content where you can't know or trust your users
[08:54:58.948418]<webPragmatist>http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/MovieMacro << "Local movies via flowplayer
[08:55:18.270833]<webPragmatist>now to figure out how to do this
[08:55:34.255941]<jhammel>webPragmatist: awesome! i was hoping someone would make a flowplayer plugin
[08:55:40.116604]<osimons>webPragmatist: so, for private trac just set the trac to enable rendering of unsafe content and add whatever <script> stuff you pick up from the web
[08:56:03.027717]<webPragmatist>I'm more of a jwplayer but who cares :P
[08:57:26.134544]<webPragmatist>is the installation of macros the same as plugins?
[08:58:53.619650]<jhammel>webPragmatist: yes; they are a subset of plugins
[08:59:57.502835]<webPragmatist>should i be able to download the .gz and rename it to .egg and upload to the admin?
[09:00:34.479580]<jhammel>webPragmatist: not sure; i always install via the filesystem
[09:01:04.270002]<webPragmatist>hrm
[09:01:33.286983]<webPragmatist>I'm lazy… i'll try it
[09:05:17.159241]<webPragmatist>wel it said it's installed but it didn't install :(
[09:06:00.259344]<jhammel>Schrodinger's plugin
[09:08:15.393626]<webPragmatist>?
[09:08:49.833937]<webPragmatist>jhammel: sorry for not understanding plugins… i checked out the source… now I ran python setup.py bdist_egg … is it not supposed to give me a .egg file?
[09:08:57.806316]<jhammel>it is both installed and not installed
[09:10:44.258680]<webPragmatist>?
[09:11:23.999243]<jhammel>webPragmatist: wrt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat
[09:12:34.420563]<webPragmatist>oh got it
[09:14:02.348017]<webPragmatist>sweet
[09:24:01.808373]<macmaN>jhammel: whatsup big dog
[09:24:38.902914]<jhammel>macmaN: yo, not much. wazzup?
[09:25:36.004920]<macmaN>jhammel: i will probably put sidebarplugin into production use. was wondering what approach have you taken with 0.12 having centered ticket view now
[09:25:43.073561]<macmaN>have you got some standard piece of css you apply everywhere?
[09:26:14.952496]<jhammel>macmaN: i haven't done anthing yet, though that's what i plan to do
[09:26:32.036127]<jhammel>macmaN: firstly, to override the centering placement
[09:28:12.695310]<macmaN>jhammel: is sidebarplugin able to do something nice-looking like launchpad sidebar is?
[09:28:41.357724]<jhammel>macmaN: hah! not yet, though i'd welcome CSS patches
[09:28:45.759020]<jhammel>and other patches for that matter
[10:20:04.785051]<macmaN>!seen lruiz
[10:20:08.410697]<evil_twin>no logs for lruiz
[11:10:36.053163]<bootlaces>Hi all, sorry to disturb, but I have a quickie question, I've installed the latest 0.11 trac hg plugin, it's seeing my locally cloned repo, but when I push into the repo, trac doesn't see the change (in the timeline)
[11:10:46.002609]<bootlaces>obviously, I'm forgetting to do something :-)
[11:10:56.000191]<bootlaces>it's not clear from the wiki page what I'm missing to do
[11:11:00.920644]<bootlaces>anyone got any advice?
[11:11:13.127815]<jhammel>bootlaces: you'll need your local clone to pull from whereever you're pushing too
[11:11:18.998312]<jhammel>unless i'm misunderstanding
[11:11:36.838159]<bootlaces>jhammel: cool, do I have to do this via some type of hook?
[11:12:15.953447]<bootlaces>(it's not quite like svn where trac will look into the repo eaach time, I would have though that perhaps trac would do a hg pull on a watched repo...)
[11:12:38.386059]<jhammel>bootlaces: probably, or with a cron job; sorry, am not an expert
[11:12:56.307745]<jhammel>bootlaces: or you can make an IRequestHandler or hack the RepoConnector to pull
[11:13:04.008418]<jhammel>but ignore me, i'm not an expert ;)
[11:14:18.890423]<bootlaces>hmm, it mentions nothing liek this on the Tracmercurial wiki page
[11:14:27.423373]<bootlaces>if it was that important, the page would have mentioned it
[11:14:42.249975]<bootlaces>(as I would say it's a basic requirement that trac can monitor updates on the repo)
[11:14:45.251334]<bootlaces><shrug>
[11:14:48.546972]<jhammel>bootlaces: it probably assumes that the repo Trac is pointed to is the master
[11:14:55.839928]<jhammel>what is the URL?
[11:15:10.700380]<jhammel>bootlaces: sure, but DVCS doesn't automatically update the local repo
[11:15:25.647249]<jhammel>how does it know what is a "master"? the concept doesn't really exist in DVCS
[11:15:26.504124]<bootlaces>http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracMercurial
[11:15:32.554033]<jhammel>except by convetion
[11:15:56.449312]<bootlaces>I'll point it to the "master" and see what happens :)
[11:16:26.869183]<jhammel>bootlaces: is the master on your filesystem?
[11:16:42.388755]<bootlaces>trac and the hg repo exist on the same server
[11:17:17.656098]<bootlaces>The wiki page says it's easy just to clone the repo and then tell trac about it
[11:17:18.227284]<jhammel>yeah, then just use the master instead of cloning
[11:17:42.699927]<bootlaces>nothing in the page mentions the need for updates (or cron jobs etc... to make sure trac is keep up to date)
[11:18:04.564161]<bootlaces>ah, the "master" is empty - we are just pushing to it, it never pulls "into" itself :)
[11:18:38.039214]<jhammel>updates, you mean?
[11:18:44.097034]<bootlaces>jhammel: yes
[11:18:55.002106]<gozerbot>trac: WikiCreole edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiCreole?version=12> || TracDev/Proposals/AdvancedWikiFormatting edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/Proposals/AdvancedWikiFormatting?version=24>
[11:26:31.002227]<bootlaces>ahhh
[11:26:36.555441]<bootlaces>pointing it to the "master" works
[11:26:44.285203]<bootlaces>even although the master is never updated :)
[11:26:47.032849]<bootlaces>just pushed into
[11:26:57.021027]<jhammel>bootlaces: yeah, but it still has all the revision info
[11:27:03.739996]<jhammel>even if it doesn't update
[11:27:13.680972]*jhammel never updates his masters anyway
[11:27:21.020784]<bootlaces>:)
[11:48:45.127951]<gozerbot>trac: Ticket #5932 (TypeError: expecting datetime, int, long, float, or None; got <class ...) reopened - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5932#comment:23> || Ticket #9125 (Using as column_ to break the row after the column does not colspan the ...) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9125>
[13:41:41.811939]<webPragmatist>Any of you tried thie MovieMacro hack
[13:41:48.647587]<webPragmatist>I cant get it to work for local attachments
[13:42:00.406001]<webPragmatist>hrm i wonder if i know why
[14:07:58.864531]<webPragmatist>haven't figured it out yet
[14:08:04.861688]<webPragmatist>the plugin seems to put the javascript in
[14:10:01.596878]<webPragmatist>it's putting a // path is that right? .flowembed("//chrome/movie/swf/FlowPlayerDark.swf",
[14:15:45.580480]<webPragmatist>also it puts chrome/ where does it get that?
[14:44:22.849432]<cboos>hello
[14:44:33.124485]<cboos>I just tagged trac-0.11.7
[14:45:29.004905]<macmaN>congrats
[14:45:48.096821]<macmaN>did you close the remaining milestone tickets
[14:45:54.101309]<macmaN>or just let them slide for now
[14:46:31.245199]<cboos>no, there are no tickets left open for 0.11 (besides #9077 which I'll close when the release is finished)
[14:47:05.353867]<cboos>so if people could have a quick check of this version (doing a checkout from http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/tags/trac-0.11.7)
[14:47:30.731130]<cboos>and if I did no big mistakes, I'll build the packages tomorrow
[14:48:53.083946]<gozerbot>trac: Changeset [9341]: Picked the wrong name, in r9339... - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/9341> || Changeset [9340]: Tagging trac-0.11.7 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/9340> || Changeset [9339]: Tagging trac-0.11.7 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/9339> || Changeset [9338]: 0.11-stable: prepare 0.11.7 release. - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/9338>
[14:48:55.513063]<cboos>oh, well
[14:48:58.049927]<cboos>doing a checkout of
[14:48:58.159254]<gozerbot> || Ticket #5932 (TypeError: expecting datetime, int, long, float, or None; got <class ...) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5932#comment:25>
[14:49:18.730172]<cboos>http://svn.edgewall.org/repos/trac/tags/trac-0.11.7
[14:49:21.156594]<cboos>of course
[14:52:08.842943]<cboos>the source package (.tar.gz) is also available: http://ftp.edgewall.org/pub/trac/Trac-0.11.7.tar.gz
[15:04:18.127873]<cboos>ok, the Windows packages are also there now
[15:17:20.806256]<cboos>So please test the packages (easy_install should work as well) and report any issue found on #9077.
[15:17:30.078550]<cboos>Bye!
[15:19:08.255042]<gozerbot>trac: TracDownload edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDownload?version=114>
[16:02:07.303538]<thijstriemstra>is it possible to rotate the log files through a setting in trac.ini?
[16:14:10.118477]<webPragmatist>uhm
[16:14:17.807267]<webPragmatist>use your log rotate daemon?
[17:52:37.984485]<rawake>i moved my trac outside of the subfolder it was in into the parent directory but now all the images are broken on the home page but when i click to another page all the images are there (header, footer, css, etc). i just changed the apache <location> config and the the trac.ini to reflect this. what did i miss?
[17:55:51.982716]<rawake>oh i guess tracuriroot is then magically required
[18:13:24.540392]<pacopablo>grr, when did the behavior of wiki page links change to relative to page?
[18:13:46.684637]<pacopablo>how do I specify that I want it relative to the wiki, not the current page?
[18:14:32.706263]<pacopablo>ahh, nm, adding a leading slash does work
[18:16:27.985086]<retracile>pacopablo: sounds like your evening is going well...
[18:16:40.936483]<pacopablo>hehe, depending on your definition ;)
[18:16:43.827068]<retracile>heh :)
[18:16:49.295213]<pacopablo>btw, i got my openfire evilness working
[18:16:54.877329]<retracile>ha!
[18:17:07.254264]<retracile>I'm still battling Evil here.
[18:17:07.682579]<pacopablo>realizing that classpath expected the path to the jar made a HUGE difference
[18:17:11.473202]*pacopablo hates java
[18:17:13.599641]<retracile>heh
[18:17:50.105862]<retracile>You mean the classpath expected the jar, rather than its containing directory?
[18:18:07.156891]<retracile>s/mean/mean that/
[18:18:07.166188]<evil_twin>retracile meant: You mean that the classpath expected the jar, rather than its containing directory?
[18:18:27.002567]<pacopablo>retracile: yes
[18:18:35.582598]<pacopablo>I was expecting classpath to behave like PYTHONPATH
[18:18:44.636063]<retracile>right. But it doesn't. Whee!
[18:18:47.811471]<pacopablo>indeed
[18:18:50.198928]<pacopablo>stupid java
[18:19:23.274766]<pacopablo>so, thanks for enlightening me on that particular nastiness of java
[18:19:54.676067]<retracile>pacopablo: heh. glad I was able to.
[18:20:37.070074]<pacopablo>in the near future I plan on adding a post to my blog re: my perversions with openfire
[18:22:09.004413]<retracile>pacopablo: cool. Hm... my rss reader indicates it's been a while since you posted.
[18:22:26.308623]<pacopablo>indeed
[23:18:50.365425]<gozerbot>trac: Milestone 0.11.7 completed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/milestone/0.11.7> || Ticket #9077 (Release Trac 0.11.7) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9077#comment:19>