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[07:46:42.834332]<mahound>hello
[07:52:52.944706]<user9>hi
[07:54:52.133154]<cramm>Seems 1.2 will be tagged today :)
[07:55:06.291795]<misc>0.12 , you mean ?
[07:55:13.821437]<cramm>oh, right
[07:55:45.548050]<mahound>0.12?
[07:55:49.487763]<mahound>is it stable yet?
[07:56:08.966210]<cramm>I'd say so
[07:56:44.907743]<mahound>nice... that means we'll have multi-repo, right?
[07:56:49.030934]<cramm>has been used in the t.e.o site, and had a couple of betas and a RC
[08:09:29.110864]<ionte>hi. do you know if there is any support or a plugin to do some basic finishes to the text, such as insert ligatures (for "fi" for example), correct quotation marks (replacing straight quotation marks) and inserting a unicode arrow symbol instead of "->" ?
[09:47:47.407144]<cboos>osimons: nb!
[09:54:39.432845]<osimons>cboos: you bet! the language everyone should use ;-)
[09:54:52.474821]<cboos>seen my note?
[09:55:00.174615]<cboos>you've missed some untranslated it seems
[09:55:51.896034]<cboos>now if 0.12 is late, everyone will know why ... :-)
[09:56:01.255018]<osimons>cboos: i may have chosen to ignore some... i'm ok with that...
[09:57:00.030350]<osimons>i've seen no note anywhere. is it a post-it on your monitor?
[09:57:14.763385]<cboos>ah, ok, but then you risk to have to go through those again next time, when new messages will be added
[09:57:52.007496]<cboos>he, the post-it was sticked on the #7177 ticket
[09:58:08.383840]<osimons>cboos: sure. no probs. they are mostly error and large trac-admin output stuff. trust me, noone will get a trac project running without knowing english... :-)
[09:59:14.086971]<osimons>oh. is the t.e.o notification now again such that you need to be on explicit cc:? i thought owner would be sufficient...
[09:59:38.782636]<cboos>wait - I'll check
[10:00:21.385624]<cboos>for the untranslated - as you wish, however I think Mikael, facing the same situation for the en_GB catalog, decided to simply copy the original messages, so that the stats are meaningful
[10:01:34.595067]<osimons>cboos: well, i feel that is cheating. stats carry no major importance to me. so you say i could keep the translation at 100% by just continuously copying the 'en' strings by default? :-)
[10:02:14.899011]<osimons>i'd rather they stayed empty so that a) they are clearly not translated, and b) i don't have to keep updating a non-translation if strings change.
[10:02:15.223252]<cboos>not really in that spirit, no ;-) It's more an indication of the actual work remaining to do.
[10:03:06.787955]<cboos>Imagine a fellow norge(?) contributor, he'll see 98% on Transifex and will think, "oh, let's finish that up, shouldn't be lot of work" ...
[10:03:22.263757]<osimons>exactly what i'm hoping....
[10:04:20.375760]<osimons>i actually considered leaving some major strings untranslated in order to spur interest in the 'nb' translation sub-project. untranslated and/or major spelling mistakes... :-)
[10:05:07.877641]<cboos> /That's/ what I would call cheating ;-)
[10:05:19.636075]<cboos>More seriously, your point b) is valid but then, it's not a lot of work and someone else could do it (knowing the intent was to not translate it). But there's no way to mark a string in a meaningful way as "don't translate this".
[10:05:54.154710]<cboos>and yet have an indication that the translation is complete (100%)
[10:07:14.899156]<cboos>Back to notifications...
[10:07:22.499026]<cboos>always_notify_owner is not set on t.e.o
[10:07:25.406021]<cboos>(i.e. false)
[10:07:28.154435]<cboos>should I set it?
[10:08:22.667658]<osimons>cboos: i think so. i imagined it was, so last night i removed myself from cc seeing i was made owner of this ticket at some stage following asmodai leaving
[10:08:52.208977]<cboos>ok, I changed it.
[10:09:32.652548]<cboos>If you have a few minutes, I'm about to commit last minute documentation changes, if you can review those texts, that'd be nice.
[10:10:54.804599]<osimons>i've got time shortly - back in 10.
[10:12:26.272229]<cboos>ok, the changes are in http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/9863
[10:23:10.455890]<osimons>looks OK to me, cboos. even if 0.12 is not my strongest side... :-)
[10:23:40.533524]<cboos>thanks for the review, and, any plan to somehow get on the 0.12 side on day ;-)
[10:24:01.509129]<cboos>... or even a comeback to trac core development for 0.13?
[10:28:05.806692]<cboos>(I didn't want to scare you away with that question...)
[10:33:56.340704]<osimons>cboos: i did contribute a bit in the beginning of 0.12 cycle, but with i18n and multirepos i fell off the train. so much effort needed to get all my stuff converted to 0.12 + translated. without too much stuff that i really need...
[10:35:47.734069]<osimons>i18n is not the same with just half of the solution being translated (trac), with various major modules like blog and bitten++ not yet ready or translated.
[10:37:21.444149]<cboos>right, plugin translation was a bit neglected, well, I'm actually just working on a sample right now ... not even knowing if everything will work (.html + .js notably)
[10:38:46.125232]<osimons>well, not neglected as such. you can turn it around and say that very few have been pushing for it's completion either...
[10:39:56.341270]<cboos>sure... as always it's mostly driven by personal interests. The TracMercurial plugin was translated early on, but as it didn't have any .html on its own, that part hasn't really been tested (and .js is recent work anyway)
[10:41:05.363721]<osimons>cboos:
[10:41:09.780005]<osimons>oops :-)
[10:41:56.135204]<osimons>hehe. i was going to say that feel free to take on any of my plugins if you need it :-) particularly the blog plugin has much UI...
[10:42:52.964464]<osimons>bitten is another story of course as that don't even run with 0.12 yet.
[10:43:35.139355]<cboos>yeah, well, I always had more urgent things to do than to dive into it ... to the point that at work now they installed Hudson ;-)
[10:44:10.049529]<cboos>so right now, I'm working on the HudsonTrac plugin ;-)
[10:44:19.824998]<cboos>(i18n'ing it)
[10:44:31.215763]<cboos>and other goodies
[10:44:44.112644]<cboos>a toy plugin compared to Bitten, of course
[10:46:22.170233]<osimons>anyway, no need to worry about me. i'll be around the project. got a lot invested in it, and a major interest in seeing it grow. but that said, 0.11.7 is trouble-free, performs well, and i know it inside out.... i just need more time to migrate these days...
[10:47:36.891280]<cboos>this reminds we still have 0.11.7.1 to release someday
[12:12:05.733746]<hasienda>osimons: hello
[13:39:34.647118]<osimons>hi hasienda.
[13:39:41.850982]<hasienda>osimons: just catching up with conversion you had with cboos, happend I was away all the time, but still curious about Bitten. It it really i18n stuff holding it off from work with Trac 0.12?
[13:40:24.445972]<osimons>hasienda: nope, multirepos++.
[13:41:44.802485]<hasienda>osimons: ah, ok, anyway, I'd offer my help for i18n issues as I try to push Trac plugin i18n with http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracPluginTranslation
[13:42:30.595108]<hasienda>osimons: the project I announced last night at trac-dev mailing-list
[13:43:22.162220]<osimons>yeah, i know about them. just haven't been keen on turning those stones myself yet... thanks for your effort & interest though :-)
[13:44:09.653794]<hasienda>osimons: np.
[13:44:48.756528]<hasienda>osimons: btw, do you remember having helped me with Mercurial Queue some time ago?
[13:45:58.286209]<osimons>uh. vaguely. did it work out ok?
[13:46:17.033898]<osimons>ah. right. for the customfield stuff.
[13:46:23.751746]<osimons>got it, yes. remember :-)
[13:47:46.164238]<hasienda>osimons: think so, see yourself: http://bitbucket.org/hasienda/custom-time/src/tip/series
[13:50:06.427203]<hasienda>osimons: this was a big thing for me, having to get familiar with so many new things: Python, Mercurial, even IRC at that time.
[13:51:10.349203]<hasienda>osimons: #trac became a friendly place for me with your and some others help. Just to mention this. :-)
[13:57:01.940484]<osimons>cool, hasienda. you done well. happy to help when i can.
[14:01:30.852504]<hasienda>osimons: yeh right, I know. Had a dispute with rts last night since he felt sad about so few contributions and support for Trac, Genshi, etc. But I think there ARE friendly and helpful people here, that counts.
[14:21:27.165544]<osimons>projects change and evolve. just the way of things. hopefully we'll manage to make it interesting for new people as they come by the project, and maybe some will stick and help out...
[15:18:00.283172]<danger89>hi
[15:18:28.427514]<danger89>I got a question about munin
[15:19:56.763304]<jinzo>hello, I'm trying to serve multiple trac environment with gunicorn and nginx
[15:20:05.582228]<danger89>hi
[15:20:06.603463]<jinzo>and I'm getting Environment not found
[15:20:21.019984]<jinzo>is there an easy way to make it print the env ?
[15:21:19.112989]<danger89>http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/1725
[15:21:24.488548]<danger89>something like that?
[15:22:28.125488]<jinzo>yes, but I can't see any of trac, couse I always get that
[15:23:04.159011]<danger89>is there no logfile to check for debugging?
[15:23:43.178200]<jinzo>nothing in there :( only Headers
[15:23:55.846001]<jinzo>and yes, I set it to the highest debug level
[15:24:17.840405]<danger89>wow strange
[15:24:44.685636]<danger89>the problem is
[15:24:48.610161]<danger89>I got also a problem :P
[15:24:59.938324]<danger89>more a question actually
[15:25:12.193566]<danger89>about Munin *monitoring software*
[15:38:09.726735]<jinzo>you can add --base-path to tracd, what's the environ setting for that ?