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[00:10:59.751973]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Changeset [10163]: Prepare for 0.12.1rc1 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/10163> - cboos
[00:11:04.751387]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Changeset [10164]: Tagging trac-0.12.1rc1 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/10164> - cboos
[00:36:02.798828]<evil_twin>t.e.o: TracDownload edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDownload?version=128> - cboos
[01:06:05.031129]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9661 (Release Trac 0.12.1) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9661> - cboos
[01:46:11.700545]<evil_twin>t.e.o: TracDev/ReleaseTesting edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ReleaseTesting?version=52> - itamaro
[01:46:16.701869]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Changeset [10165]: 0.12.1rc1: re-enable tag_svn_revision - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/10165> - cboos
[02:13:42.033075]<biertie>does anyone know if it is possible to use the standard linux user system to provide login into trac
[02:26:20.878162]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Changeset [10166]: Merged with 0.12-stable - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/10166> - cboos
[02:36:17.947712]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Changeset [10167]: #9462: Add config option for shared htdocs location. commit ... - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/10167> - cboos
[02:41:18.937462]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9462 ([PATCH] Add shared htdocs location) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9462#comment:9> - cboos
[03:06:21.973370]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9659 (Form tokens not required?) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9659#comment:1> - lkraav <leho@…>
[04:06:29.014785]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Changeset [10168]: Explictly specify the encoding when rendering Genshi templates. Needed in ... - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/10168> - cboos
[04:11:29.072282]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #1835 (Add a discussion tab for Trac resources) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1835#comment:3> - itamaro
[04:36:34.038794]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #1 (Add a new project summary module.) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1#comment:50> - itamaro
[04:36:39.039909]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #4588 (User Page: trac links to these pages) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4588#comment:5> - itamaro
[04:41:34.095701]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #3737 (login-id, trac-nick) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3737#comment:22> - itamaro
[04:41:39.096879]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #7339 ([Patch] Display full user names instead of user login) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7339#comment:19> - itamaro
[04:46:35.669080]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #8335 (Create People page with user profiles and status of who's doing what.) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8335#comment:3> - itamaro
[04:56:36.094960]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #525 (Batch Modification Functionality) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/525#comment:64> - itamaro
[05:01:36.126743]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #918 ([patch] Custom Ticket Fields should support the multiple selection type) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/918#comment:22> - itamaro
[05:01:41.126691]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #918 ([patch] Custom Ticket Fields should support the multiple selection type) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/918#comment:23> - itamaro
[05:06:37.872513]<evil_twin>t.e.o: TracDev/ReleaseTesting edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ReleaseTesting?version=53> - rblank
[05:11:38.116662]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #1942 ([patch] Add support for date type in custom ticket fields) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1942#comment:44> - itamaro
[05:11:43.115125]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #1962 (Due dates on tickets & email notification on overdue dates) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1962#comment:31> - itamaro
[05:16:39.105480]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #2035 (Changeset commenting) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2035#comment:37> - itamaro
[05:21:40.090187]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #1835 (Add a discussion tab for Trac resources) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1835#comment:4> - rblank
[05:21:45.090094]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #8335 (Create People page with user profiles and status of who's doing what.) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8335#comment:4> - rblank
[05:26:41.560186]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #1113 (Show milestone changes in timeline) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1113#comment:9> - itamaro
[05:31:43.826771]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #695 (Keywords for wiki pages) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/695#comment:13> - itamaro
[05:31:48.826615]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #4582 (Renaming a milestone doesn't update ticket history) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4582#comment:5> - itamaro
[05:31:53.826243]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #5658 (Closing milestone and retargeting tickets to another does not show in ...) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5658#comment:10> - itamaro
[05:41:44.052737]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #1835 (Add a discussion tab for Trac resources) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1835#comment:5> - itamaro
[06:31:52.046690]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Changeset [10169]: SpamFilter: fix utf-8 issue - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/10169> - dstoecker
[08:12:08.137990]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #2463 (Mandatory fields in tickets) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2463#comment:17> - trac@…
[09:42:21.161233]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9662 (Small screen size) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9662> - duainem@…
[10:07:26.098343]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9662 (Small screen size) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9662#comment:1> - osimons
[10:44:52.394511]<Hodgestar>Hooray for StringIO(u''). :D
[11:22:39.979634]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #2463 (Mandatory fields in tickets) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2463#comment:18> - rblank
[11:52:44.938618]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9659 (Form tokens not required?) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9659#comment:2> - osimons
[11:52:49.938304]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9663 (Ticket details in timeline includes empty changes from custom fields being ...) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9663> - osimons
[12:16:25.103724]<hasienda>osimons: ping
[12:17:59.349908]<osimons>hasienda: pong
[12:18:46.171985]<hasienda>osimons: hello, may I ask a question or two regarding AccountManager right now?
[12:19:11.911511]<osimons>hasienda: you may ask, but as i don't use or know the plugin i may not be able to help
[12:20:09.730689]<osimons>hey, Hodgestar - getting patches into trac too now?! star indeed :-)
[12:20:19.349554]<Hodgestar>osimons: Hehe. :)
[12:20:48.094656]<Hodgestar>Unfortunately my first patch was a little too easy (it left a bunch of important things out :).
[12:20:59.700953]<Hodgestar>The second one hopefully fixes that.
[12:21:03.062516]<hasienda>osimons: Understand, still I've found a comment from you proposing to separate RadiusAuthStore plugin instead of adding it to AccountManager. Do you remember?
[12:21:47.730635]<osimons>oh. no, don't remember. but i think i got a notification email that i junked earlier today...
[12:22:18.566521]<hasienda>osimons: found it, here: http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/6788#comment:2
[12:24:10.323666]<hasienda>osimons: sure, notification was triggered be me, going through all tickets to get started and commenting here and there
[12:24:47.165267]<osimons>hasienda: ah. ok. so package it if you need it? email the author to say that you're picking it up? i see it is licensed as "THE BEER-WARE LICENSE" (Revision 42)...
[12:25:24.697973]<osimons>does the code work? is it a straight package & publish?
[12:26:00.192249]<osimons>it you use it, then of course it would be much smarter to keep it contained in a plugin rather than a patch
[12:26:43.217439]<hasienda>osimons: I've not used it by now and it's not exactly, what I'm thinking/asking about. Moreover your comment there is relevant for another ticket, http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/173
[12:26:54.339489]<osimons>- although its not really hard to maintain acct_mgr patches when the code does not change at all... :-)
[12:27:11.016633]<hasienda>osimons: :-)
[12:28:23.413096]<hasienda>osimons: not true anymore, I'm just getting speed with this after some months when there was no support there at all
[12:28:58.321436]<hasienda>osimons: 96 before maintainer change, now only 73
[12:29:10.587179]<osimons>well, looking at that ticket it lists 3 plugins, 2 of which are clearly marked as "DEPRECATED" - is that not sufficent reason to just close the ticket?
[12:29:12.490136]<hasienda>osimons: tickets, counting down :-)
[12:29:59.949975]<osimons>hasienda: a good feeling. and only 73 tickets...
[12:30:12.391705]<hasienda>osimons: Ok, this is a good argument, but OpenID is something, that could be interesting for other, even if I can't use it in my offline applications
[12:32:55.922567]<hasienda>osimons: certainly you didn't comment regarding RadiusAuth with intent to give general advice? but I ask, if you'd recommend to better extend AccountManager with other plugins or integrate there functionality with AccountManager
[12:33:01.755386]<osimons>openid has own login form and processing with tokens and verifications flying around, and completely unrelated storage. not knowing either plugin, but that does not strike me as very useful
[12:33:57.132757]<hasienda>osimons: openid IMHO is about SingleSignOn - web based version
[12:34:15.393547]<osimons>hasienda: it was general advice - package the code so that people can start using it, and then see if integration makes sense. it is a pain to maintain code inside plugins of others - that is what extensionpoints are for.
[12:35:24.136029]<osimons>hasienda: yes. but enter your openid (no password to check there) and you get passed around to your "home" for further checks and you get tokens and stuff back that you need to keep using. very, very different.
[12:36:10.599089]<osimons>what people do, if you've noticed, is that they put up two forms on their login pages: "login with username or password here..." or "use your openid here..."
[12:36:53.676592]<hasienda>osimons: right, seen this
[12:37:26.580248]<osimons>if you have 73 open tickets, i presume you have more important issues than "one login to rule them all"... :-)
[12:38:28.096738]<hasienda>osimons: correct again, just to parallelize thinking some issues that'll need some time to settle in my mind
[12:39:16.604452]<hasienda>osimons: to sum up: better cooperate for seamless integration of plugins (OpenID|Radius|LDAP|...) extending plugin (AcctMgr) than to include the code, right?
[12:39:17.667536]<osimons>hasienda: one golden rule to be a happy plugin maintainer: start with the features you need and want and have fun doing...
[12:40:25.785045]<osimons>hasienda: yes, if the API is there in your plugin to support their needs then by all means let them make new plugins. if at some stage it makes sense to merge the code then do it then
[12:41:33.939964]<hasienda>osimons: ok, thanks. If you don't use AcctMgr, how do you manage your Trac users, own code?
[12:43:02.442437]<osimons>own code for cross-project auth and user management. i started coding it before acct_mgr came on the scene, so just stuck with what i know
[12:44:43.557665]<hasienda>osimons: I see. Do you know other Trac "power" users that may possibly use AcctMgr for coordinated testing etc.? Only know about t-h.o by now
[12:46:06.099553]<hasienda>osimons: but Michael is often somewhat hard to reach and really busy.
[12:46:40.465713]<osimons>no, not really. matt, john and alec are no longer active. as you say Mike is now your best bet - a 0.12 version of trac-hacks will need it and be a good test bed.
[12:47:53.889829]<evil_twin>t.e.o: t6492_patch1_colorized-icon borders-r10150.patch attached to Ticket #6492 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/ticket/6492/t6492_patch1_colorized-icon%20borders-r10150.patch> - mrelbe
[12:47:58.889535]<evil_twin>t.e.o: t6492_patch2_icons-for-new-and-edited-wiki pages-r10150.patch attached to Ticket #6492 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/ticket/6492/t6492_patch2_icons-for-new-and-edited-wiki%20pages-r10150.patch> - mrelbe
[12:48:03.890408]<evil_twin>t.e.o: t6492_patch3_icon-positioning-updated-r10150.patch attached to Ticket #6492 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/ticket/6492/t6492_patch3_icon-positioning-updated-r10150.patch> - mrelbe
[12:48:08.890201]<evil_twin>t.e.o: example.png attached to Ticket #6492 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/ticket/6492/example.png> - mrelbe
[12:52:54.885689]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Changeset [10170]: SpamFilter: fix setting zero value bug hopefully finally - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/10170> - dstoecker
[13:02:56.204407]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #2251 (Escaping wiki links in the form !type:id doesnt work) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2251#comment:4> - Unknown
[13:03:01.203861]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #6492 ([PATCH] Change icons on timeline) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6492#comment:9> - mrelbe
[13:05:21.132100]<shesek>Hmm, if I have a string like '[And|Or] [priority|summary|some-other-field] [is|is not|contains|some-other-operator]', how should I format it for babel? '%s %s %s' is obviously wrong, and using 'And %s %s'/'Or %s %s' is kinda weird too
[13:07:57.473716]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #6492 ([PATCH] Change icons on timeline) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6492#comment:10> - mrelbe
[13:11:30.211983]<shesek>Or maybe just translate the And/Or part? the operator is already translated and the field name is the label as its coming from TicketSystem.get_ticket_fields(), so I could use something like _('And')+' '+operator+' '+field - but it won't allow defining the order of words, so if in some language the order is different (e.g. 'priority is and') it won't be translatable
[13:12:57.201363]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #6492 ([PATCH] Change icons on timeline) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6492#comment:11> - osimons
[13:33:00.223435]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9659 (Form tokens not required?) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9659#comment:3> - rblank
[13:43:02.195938]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9663 (Ticket details in timeline includes empty changes from custom fields being ...) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9663#comment:1> - rblank
[13:58:05.175984]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9659 (Form tokens not required?) closed - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9659#comment:4> - osimons
[14:08:05.237138]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9663 (Ticket details in timeline includes empty changes from custom fields being ...) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9663#comment:2> - osimons
[14:08:10.238209]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #6492 ([PATCH] Change icons on timeline) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6492#comment:12> - mrelbe
[14:08:15.236997]<evil_twin>t.e.o: suggestion.png attached to Ticket #6492 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/ticket/6492/suggestion.png> - mrelbe
[14:13:05.250591]<evil_twin>t.e.o: suggestion.png attached to Ticket #6492 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/ticket/6492/suggestion.png> - mrelbe
[14:18:06.245381]<evil_twin>t.e.o: t6492_patch4_new-icons-r10150.patch attached to Ticket #6492 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/ticket/6492/t6492_patch4_new-icons-r10150.patch> - mrelbe
[14:23:07.244931]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #6492 ([PATCH] Change icons on timeline) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6492#comment:13> - mrelbe
[14:33:09.226081]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #6492 ([PATCH] Change icons on timeline) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6492#comment:14> - osimons
[14:49:49.075222]<shesek>itamaro, hey, my phone was acting a bit weird this morning, sorry :)
[14:51:12.365268]<shesek>hmm, what do you think, if I have a string like '[And|Or] [priority|other field] [is|is not|other operator]', how should the babel string look like?
[14:51:45.438658]<shesek>I can't really use '%s %s %s', and 'And %s %s'/'Or %s %s' seems kinda weird too
[14:52:04.804991]<shesek>:(
[14:52:10.807100]<shesek>anyone else maybe?
[14:57:23.280063]<shesek>hey itamaro, I don't think you got that:
[14:57:31.369167]<shesek>23:49 <shesek> itamaro, hey, my phone was acting a bit weird this morning, sorry
[14:57:31.524121]<shesek>23:50 <shesek> hmm, what do you think, if I have a string like '[And|Or] [priority|other field] [is|is not|other operator]', how should the babel string look like?
[14:57:31.536951]<shesek>23:51 <shesek> I can't really use '%s %s %s', and 'And %s %s'/'Or %s %s' seems kinda weird too
[15:01:24.860135]<itamaro>errr, damn connection
[16:08:33.040211]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #6492 ([PATCH] Change icons on timeline) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6492#comment:15> - mrelbe
[16:08:38.040471]<evil_twin>t.e.o: suggestion2.png attached to Ticket #6492 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/ticket/6492/suggestion2.png> - mrelbe
[16:13:20.766458]<evil_twin>t.e.o: t6492_patch4b_preferred-icons-r10150.patch attached to Ticket #6492 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/ticket/6492/t6492_patch4b_preferred-icons-r10150.patch> - mrelbe
[16:23:20.791229]<evil_twin>t.e.o: t6492_patch4b_preferred-icons-r10150.patch attached to Ticket #6492 - <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/ticket/6492/t6492_patch4b_preferred-icons-r10150.patch> - mrelbe
[16:23:25.790746]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #6492 ([PATCH] Change icons on timeline) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6492#comment:16> - mrelbe
[16:28:20.796518]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #6492 ([PATCH] Change icons on timeline) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6492#comment:17> - mrelbe
[16:53:23.796366]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9664 (NameError: global name 'attachment_karma' is not defined) created - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9664> - cvicente
[17:28:27.949433]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #8519 (internal SQL string matches are always case insensitive) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/8519#comment:29> - shesek
[18:03:32.961467]<evil_twin>t.e.o: TracGuide edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracGuide?version=61> - m85869201@…
[18:06:55.826655]<shesek>why do people keep changing wiki pages to other languages? oO
[18:33:36.057088]<evil_twin>t.e.o: SeaChange/DocumentationRequests edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SeaChange/DocumentationRequests?version=9> - shesek
[18:48:38.447080]<evil_twin>t.e.o: SeaChange/WhatDevelopersWant edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SeaChange/WhatDevelopersWant?version=10> - shesek
[18:52:48.229511]<shesek>Oops, looking at version history it seems like it mostly meant for core developers?
[19:03:41.131955]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9638 (Submit forms with CTRL+Enter in textareas) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9638#comment:14> - shesek <nadav+shesek@…>
[19:13:43.645352]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9643 (Ticket search by query with auto completion) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9643#comment:34> - shesek <nadav+shesek@…>
[20:28:55.409841]<evil_twin>t.e.o: SeaChange/WhatDevelopersWant edited - <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SeaChange/WhatDevelopersWant?version=11> - shesek <nadav+shesek@…>
[23:22:56.108626]<macmaN>lots of interesting discussion yesterday
[23:39:24.264005]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9663 (Ticket details in timeline includes empty changes from custom fields being ...) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9663#comment:3> - rblank
[23:39:29.263396]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Ticket #9664 (NameError: global name 'attachment_karma' is not defined) updated - <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/9664#comment:1> - rblank
[23:43:00.736890]<macmaN>really makes me want irclogplugin with rss feeds
[23:59:25.344132]<evil_twin>t.e.o: Changeset [10171]: 0.12.1/l10n/zh_TW: translations updated (94%) 1. Fix fuzzy messages. 2. ... - <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/10171> - zclin